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Thursday, January 31, 2008

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HobsonsChoice

While good news that such clauses can be escaped by those with a legal education and financial clout, "negotiating" such extraneous clauses can have the perverse effect of legitimizing them. The next consumer subjected to such clauses (at Whataburger, perhaps?) is going to have that much harder a time arguing such clauses are non-negotiable or non-negotiated. This leads everyone to a prisoners' choice, with the result that such clauses will be legitimized, but only impact the uninformed/underpowered. Better to continue efforts to relegate them to the legal trash heap of 'unconscionability' or 'lack of agreement.'

Paul Bland

I think HobsonsChoice makes a sophisticated point, and one which I admit I had not considered. I believe that at the end of the day, though, these kinds of clauses are effectively legitimized by courts already, and that little damage can be done by people fighting back against them. I regularly urge all kinds of consumers (including lawyers, when they are being consumers) not to silently absorb these insults to their rights, but to push back where possible. I agree that it's not possible nearly often enough, but in this case it apparently is at least some times (I've already heard from another lawyer with an experience similar to Mark Steinbach's), and while I think HC makes a thoughtful point, I personally conclude that not taking action for fear of legitimizing what's already out there is not the best course.

James Fishman

Way to go Mark! Just for kicks, don't pay your bill and see if they send you an arb.notice. then sue them for breach of contract.

Dale Pittman

I am very proud of Mark. I got an arbitration clause free Lexis account in 1997 at a VA Trial Lawyers Assn convention. A few years ago I was going to modify my contract to add some new features that would have made my plan better and more economical. When the new contract came by fax, I marked through the arbitration clause that had been added, signed the contract and faxed it back. Lexis would not accept it, even after the rep. took my request to strike the arbitration clause "up the ladder." So I did not upgrade.

Anonopinion

Well said - but here's something we should remember. These aren't the only options when it comes to finding vendors, particularly with website and blog options for attorneys. The "big guys" aren't even good options, IMO. The saying goes, "no one ever got fired for hiring IBM" - I think there is an element of that here.

IMHO, we don't have to chose between the lesser of two evils. You don't need do business with the establishment simply because everyone else is - take the time to seek out alternatives, check references, and work with proven vendors, even if smaller and less well known. I think you will see fairer terms, better value, and better service more often than not. Even if you are getting the same services for the same money, you are fostering competition and hopefully forcing the effective monopolies to play nicer to retain market share. I say this because I have watched firms get taken time and time again, simply because they didn't know any better.

Regarding arbitration clauses - come on guys, you all should know better. Lawyers, don't forget you are business people - as my real estate friends like to say, "EVERYthing is negotiable in a deal."

Good luck!

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